Cyberpunk 2077: Is It Deep or Dumb?

Feb 1, 2021
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Cyberpunk 2077 loves to reference philosophers ... but does it actually have a philosophy of its own?

Cyberpunk 2077 has had a lot of people talking - mostly about its fiasco of a rollout. But once you're able to get the game to work, you'll find that it's exploding with sly references to everyone from author Ernest Hemingway to philosopher Descartes. So is the game actually as smart as it thinks it is? Let's find out in this Wisecrack Edition on Cyberpunk 2077: Deep or Dumb?

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  • What do you think? Is Cyberpunk deep or dumb? Don’t forget to get your Displates here! : displate.com/wisecrack?art=5ff4fc5fdfae5 Thanks to Displate for sponsoring our video!

    WisecrackWisecrack2 months ago
    • It's deeper than many.

      Mister MelancholyMister Melancholy23 days ago
    • It was trash

      Random DudeRandom DudeMonth ago
    • style over substance my friend, style over substance

      kofikofiMonth ago
    • I'm hoping they continue developing stories in this universe because, like you said, if there was a bit more time to go in depth and really explore the ideas as well as the ramifications of this type of technology, we could get something truly groundbreaking. With that said, I still loved the game (probably in part because I didn't get it until after the major game breaking bugs were fixed.)

      Skylar W.Skylar W.Month ago
    • You have to do the metal gear series I'm convinced that the whole series is the dumbest thing to ever make millions of dollars

      Wes HolmesWes Holmes2 months ago
  • I’ll play it when it’s finished.

    RustoRusto2 days ago
  • The game also deals with the effects of late stage capitalism but I feel like it also doesn't really do much with it.

    Peace WalkerPeace Walker3 days ago
  • My ending had alt reciting the love poem of J Alfred proofrock?

    Andrew OlsonAndrew Olson9 days ago
  • Bring back jared

    jaishu123jaishu1239 days ago
  • Did previous cyberpunk works provide answers to the questions that 2077 "copies" and raises? No. It raised them in situations in the context of the narrative for us to think about because, a lot of the time, these questions have no right or wrong answer. 2077 provides quite a few interesting scenarios about a number of different ideas, doesn't spell it out for us and instead leaves us to ponder it. Don't think it's fair to criticise 2077 for not providing answers, because it definitely portrays and discusses the questions it raises. Just through the gameplay and story. For the people in the city, many of these things are normal so it's up to us the player to think, oh... That's weird I need to process this. Just because the character models in the screen don't engage in discussion or voice questions doesn't.mean the game is shallow. The world is the discussion. The story is the discussion. A case study for us to examine ourselves. I would argue the point of philosophy is to dwell of these questions so that we question our own beliefs and ourselves so that we may learn more about our own existence so just because these questions have been raised before ( in novels last century and by philosophers 100s of years ago) it doesn't invalidate their inclusion, nor does it make it lazy.

    BlackTearDropBlackTearDrop10 days ago
  • You guys should do Deep or Dumb for The Fountain (2006 film)

    B R MB R M11 days ago
  • damn this niqqa is handsome

    StoicSwordsmanStoicSwordsman11 days ago
  • Please do an apex legends episode

    Zephaniah DejeneZephaniah Dejene12 days ago
  • there's a game called "getting over it with bennett foddy" i hope you do a deep or dumb take on it

    Hawas HamidHawas Hamid17 days ago
  • I actually think what makes Cyberpunk unique is that its main focus seems to be on people, relationships and self worth. I think since it doesnt touch too much conventional Cyberpunk tropes, it sets it apart from the crowd. It feels more like a Coming-of-Age story in the midst of a dreadful landscape.

    ZensheiZenshei19 days ago
  • Who all are here from Real Vision?

    Jayesh KarliJayesh Karli22 days ago
  • Someday, DOLL might actually becomes real, your partner(boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife) is controlling one, he/she will feel the way you treat the DOLL. Someday later, your partner get mad at you for fxxking the doll. hmmm🤔that’s deep.

    Raven Vinz ChowRaven Vinz Chow23 days ago
  • Compared to other games, CP2077 is really deep and I liked the introduction of such philosophical questions. It's a game after all. It has a lot of action, RPG elements, and in addition provides with some deeper story than ... Watch Dogs Legion for example. Promises, bugs, ..., aside

    FragsuFragsu23 days ago
  • You really gonna show off then smack talk all these references without referancing the fact other games would even try that hard.

    Mister MelancholyMister Melancholy23 days ago
  • I wound up liking this game so much more than I expected.

    Joe EnglandJoe England28 days ago
  • Becoming Orchid. Now that's a band name

    Reanetse MolelekiReanetse Moleleki28 days ago
  • Interesting how Cyberpunk is a "broken" game yet elicits more philosophy in one side mission than entire other games have done. I've noticed Wisecrack hasn't done any videos on Death Stranding which is a properly functioning game but it's fanbase claims that it's the most intelligent philosophical game ever made yet I don't hear anyone talking about it in any eloquent way.

    GazzaGazza29 days ago
  • this analisys was pretty shallow

    andre pimentelandre pimentelMonth ago
  • When does the video start?

    FRANANGELICO ONAFRANANGELICO ONAMonth ago
  • Anytime, you're talking about the soul your going deep but not really so...

    fishIsnotfish fishfishIsnotfish fishMonth ago
  • Let us just enjoy the bugs xD

    Hermit CardHermit CardMonth ago
  • every time you sleep, you die and awake anew

    No BoNo BoMonth ago
  • I would love to see your take on The Talos Principle.

    MajanMajanMonth ago
  • Even the philosophy in Cyberpunk was left unfinished because of the corps rushing the game. Fuck me.

    Mr. BernMr. BernMonth ago
  • In my opinion, the game aims to flesh out the concepts but leaves the player to come up with their own conclusions. Then the player chooses his reaction in the finale.

    wildjacks1wildjacks1Month ago
  • saying con-seept is confusing, I had to google concept just to make sure I wasn't pronouncing it wrong all my life. I keep thinking you're saying conceit

    caxe7caxe7Month ago
  • style over substance my friend, style over substance

    kofikofiMonth ago
  • I think we can all agree that all the bugs and lack of development undermined the story of cyberpunk, which is a pretty good plot, though, again, not nearly well developed. if they started to think on the project, rather on the visuals and BREATHTAKING, INNOVATIVE GAMEPLAY, maybe we could've had an amazing story with us. but... yeah, shit happens I guess?

    Julia Wakabara RomualdoJulia Wakabara RomualdoMonth ago
  • Remember, this is a CDPR story and I don't think they are done yet telling it. They did announce their will be several DLCs that may surprise us with some banging stories like The Witcher 3.

    David LopezDavid LopezMonth ago
  • Keep the hate train going my man, get them clicks. Di*khead.

    Taif Al-cookieTaif Al-cookieMonth ago
  • After watching this and playing through the game, I'm let wondering: Why didn't V and Johnny merged their consciousness into one being?????

    William MitchellWilliam MitchellMonth ago
  • Corporation not gud

    Clint BeastwoodClint Beastwood2 months ago
  • This video was brilliantly done. Great job!

    Mr_Random476Mr_Random4762 months ago
  • 11:28 - psh. Hardly...

    Arcane AtriArcane Atri2 months ago
  • Oh i got the game to run 15 minutes after release. I bought it on stadia! People wanna bad mouth good shit, meanwhile i'm here LMAO because i'm using that good shit and it works!! 😆 SUCKERS

    Arcane AtriArcane Atri2 months ago
  • Funny. I walked away feeling the game had a message of principle over nihilism. Not even mentioned here. Always feels like WiseCrack is just flexing it's ability to name drop dead dudes

    Fizzy FoxFizzy Fox2 months ago
  • When you choose the corpo ending. The doctor on the spacestation also talks about the ship of Theseus after waking up...

    RAWxxx07RAWxxx072 months ago
  • I don't think extra time would have helped the story at all. They had years. This was the story they wanted to put out there. Extra development time usually is just to fix performance issues and smooth things out. Stories, at least from a birds eye view, are usually the first things completed.

    Joseph ParrottaJoseph Parrotta2 months ago
  • cyberpunk in wisecrack version is deep

    W LW L2 months ago
  • I wouldn’t say Cyberpunk 2077 is dumb, but I would agree that it’s a missed opportunity. I say it’s not dumb because the game doesn’t outright say really stupid things as much as it doesn’t say a lot to begin with. But the fact that it doesn’t explore its themes as mechanically or narratively as much as, say, a SOMA or a Nier Automata doesn’t mean it’s dumb (or that it’s bad, for that matter). It’s just that the goals the game set out to achieve were somewhat different. My understanding of the Cyberpunk franchise is that Mike Pondsmith wanted an RPG with Blade Runner’s aesthetic, but also recognized that a protagonist in such a setting has too little agency to befit a role-played game. He then added more rock ‘n’ roll to counteract that, ending up with protagonists like Johnny and V and stories like Cyberpunk 2077. And looking at it from that angle, yeah, I’d say this game is successful (although not philosophically all that meaningful).

    Gen MGen M2 months ago
  • I recently watched "Cloud Atlas" and I have been wondering ever since... Is it DEEP or DUMB? Some help here please?

    Luís DominguesLuís Domingues2 months ago
  • Good episode I loved the game...I just took it as a good story about my V but ywah not that clearly deep

    Makiel CepedaMakiel Cepeda2 months ago
  • Hey are you guys doing a video on little nightmares I mean Freud the game right?

    cdonovan2511cdonovan25112 months ago
  • i think the relationship between V and Johnny is one of, if not THE, greatest part of the game. you start out at odds against each other and slowly become close and understand each others feelings about the situation

    Frank The AvocadoFrank The Avocado2 months ago
  • From a total non-gamer, a lot of the major features of this game seem to be lifted from Omikcron: The Nomad Soul. I only say that because I have a fleeting memory of it from my youth, and it had a body switching element. Don’t hate me, haha.

    Christopher WilliamsChristopher Williams2 months ago
  • Yes it was absolutely a missed opportunity.

    Sean WisniewskiSean Wisniewski2 months ago
  • So what you’re saying is that Cyberpunk 2077’s story was centered almost entirely around identity politics? 😏

    TirannieTirannie2 months ago
  • Expected another shitty video like many other videos in USworlds about this game and I got what I expected, thanks.

    AdElAdEl2 months ago
  • You should do a video about Violet Evergarden and the meaning of empathy!!Its on Netflix

    Anthology Of InterestAnthology Of Interest2 months ago
  • i thought it was disappointing, Judy best girl.

    Big IronBig Iron2 months ago
  • Answers are not as important as questions...

    MarkovChainsMarkovChains2 months ago
  • that's a dope shirt, kris

    Alfonso CSAlfonso CS2 months ago
  • Great video

    ASAP FlashASAP Flash2 months ago
  • Video suffers from the format as it has a black and white/deep or dumb/right or wrong approach. It presumes, that the 'source material' (Locke, neuromancer, other philosophers) is necessarily 'deep' all the time. While surely a lot of the questions that are posed (eg. theseus' ship) are complex dilemmas that can not be truly solved in a satisfying way, it can also be said that Ideas of the "source material" are outdated (eg. Descartes. Tania Singer found that brain plasticity is influenced by behaviour. So its proven that physical brain and thinking mind are connected) or not 'deep' themselves. Still enjoyed your analysis. But maybe you're also (perhaps knowingly) asking to much from a video game plot, that needs to primarily entertain. For what it is, i find it super compelling and contemporary. Which (at least mainstream) title ever allowed you to play as a trans-person or date a depressed porn-editor? How would you package a critical analysis of abstract concepts of identity in a format like this? Its not a dissertation, its a video game and at that one. Also you missed a few points as @VaeSapiens alrady pointed out. Thanks still! Good channel

    Max OrchidMax Orchid2 months ago
  • and who am I as the player? am I slowly becoming V, while V is slowly becoming Johnny and am I thus becoming Johnny? who am I after playing this game? also, you wrongly assumed V to be male - she's a female though ;)

    Gwen HirschGwen Hirsch2 months ago
  • I appreciate the Skye and Angle joke :'D

    Geralt of ArabiaGeralt of Arabia2 months ago
  • Is Cyberpunk deep, or is it just a first person watered down Grand Theft Auto clone?

    Alex DarksiderAlex Darksider2 months ago
  • Why did you change the thumbnail?

    Yellow PeasYellow Peas2 months ago
  • fuck yeah bird shirt!

    dps140dps1402 months ago
  • I am so tried of idiots thinking misplaced and clearly misunderstood philosophical (at best and at worst respectively) references somehow makes something better or smarter than it really is. Worse still is when they take those grossly misused and overused bits and attempt to use them with motivations of self aggrandization. Worse greater still is when the lack of contextual information or more likely the source material at all. This false intellectualism is a big contributor to many "movements" that would have people think they are informed and moral in their understanding of their cause when in fact they have all the intellectual credibility of a Qanon believer.

    Vallin VallentineVallin Vallentine2 months ago
  • When I heard "Deluz", I thought of "De-loused in the Comatorium", an album by the Mars Volta.

    LalaLala2 months ago
  • The scary thing is this "rushed" game took 8 years to make.

    gimpytheimpgimpytheimp2 months ago
  • How can Wisecrack never covered "Sorry to bother you"

    Anggito K ZainulAnggito K Zainul2 months ago
    • There's a Show Me The Meaning video from 2 years ago.

      Reanetse MolelekiReanetse Moleleki28 days ago
  • SOMA did it better.

    Dani3poDani3po2 months ago
  • Holy crap you’re a real person?! I saw this same video on K and I would have sworn you were cgi or a silicone faced robot. Freaky. What’s with the roosters on your shirt though? That some freudian thing, bruh?

    Mochi MochiMochi Mochi2 months ago
  • This guy looks like a time traveller from the 70s trying to pass as a modern person. I'M ON TO YOU!

    rob rickrob rick2 months ago
  • Turn off game. Go outside.

    Conrad GonzalesConrad Gonzales2 months ago
  • I would've loved a Ghost in the Shell type ending with the sublation of Johnny and V, and focus on Georg Heigl's system of dialectics

    Youssef RadwanYoussef Radwan2 months ago
    • That's what you get. V in the endings whete they keep their body has a lot of Johnny inside of them

      Dankest MemesDankest Memes2 months ago
  • didn't even bother playing it but it was still nice to hear about it

    TheCreepyproTheCreepypro2 months ago
  • I think the story of two clashing identities would have worked better if V had... a personality to begin with. But instead it's a well-fleshed out character like Johnny against the human equivalent of wallpaper-paste. I don't even like Johnny, I think he's an obnoxious Boomer stereotype of an Anarchist dressed up in what a Gen-X'r thinks is hip and cool, but I'll take him over V any day.

    Jasper van HeycopJasper van Heycop2 months ago
  • I feel like Soma captured these ideas better lol

    StoneKittyProductionsStoneKittyProductions2 months ago
  • Deep? Ahahahaha. "This game doesn't expire the nuances." Says it all. It's shallow as hell.

    Zap RowsdowerZap Rowsdower2 months ago
  • Walk...dont walk...walk

    SiddharthSiddharth2 months ago
  • WARNING TO OTHERS: Potential Spoiler in the first 15 seconds! Awww, you could have waited at least until after you put the spoiler banner up.

    Tito151Tito1512 months ago
  • Wow, this guy missed a lot

    FirestormFirestorm2 months ago
  • *sigh* Honestly I'm so exhausted and tired of hearing the bandwagon dump on this game. Yes it was awful for co some players but jesus christ the majority of PC players I know including myself have a lot of hours into it and have enjoyed it. It's far from perfect but unless you've been under a rock for years you should have tempered your expectations.

    Raven1024Raven10242 months ago
  • It’s dumb *To be honest I’ve never played this game but looks Gay af*

    Guy SplunkerGuy Splunker2 months ago
  • About every 8 years every cell in your body has been replaced by a new cell.

    RJ EhlertRJ Ehlert2 months ago
  • New Vegas had philosophical questions without having literal dialogue. Show don’t tell

    Keanu VernonKeanu Vernon2 months ago
  • CDPR has proven that marketing works. Even fooled me and I normally don't fall for hype.

    Explicit TechExplicit Tech2 months ago
  • I'm hankering for a "Philosophy of Filthy Frank" video Well actually probably a "Deep or Dumb"

    Oliver WilliamsOliver Williams2 months ago
  • The game doesn’t imply that digital Johnny is the same as his mortal self. There is a specific side mission in regards to God and religion that raises the question of “Johnny” is even alive anymore. That all is left is a digital ghost echoing. A lot of side missions tie into the main theme of this game and I feel not discussing them caused y’all to kinda miss the point. There is no answer to these questions of consciousness and soul and identity. Only more questions we can raise. Which is why CDPR has no answers.

    Null-Jaeger-09Null-Jaeger-092 months ago
  • I'd really love a video comparing the ideas of what is is presented in Cyberpunk and Deus Ex.

    MrStingBladeMrStingBlade2 months ago
  • I'm not sure the game really needed to make a point to be honest, I felt like the point wasn't to provide an answer but merely to pose the question, and that's perfectly valid and actually preferable in my view. I prefer to be prompted to think about something than to have someone else's worldview imposed upon me.

    DecusDecus2 months ago
  • Like nearly everything in modern fiction, it's probably deep and dumb.

    Super Game N' Chill Bros.Super Game N' Chill Bros.2 months ago
  • I like to think of pretty much all cyberpunk as being "ideas exist" stories. Sure, some big titles might offer insights, but most seem to just tell a story based around hypotheticals and thought experiments. I never thought they needed to try to answer the questions or delve deeper, they just needed to inspire imagination and thought in those areas. Discovering your own answers is the cyberpunk way. Unplug and whatnot.

    TheAbashtaTheAbashta2 months ago
  • Fora Bolsonaro

    Fabio MicélioFabio Micélio2 months ago
  • TL;DR probably it's as deep as we needed, more in a social/moral pov than ethics or "EGO" conflict. What does it mean to act bad or good? (even while other games could do this better) It's as deep as it can, man. If people in CP77 started arguing what is self and what is not, why it is not or so, it would become metal gear 6. Saying this because we should understand how philosophy blends so good in a game and at the same time how it pushes away a big slice of the audience, especially after we played CP77. Masses in 2021 aren't exactly deep, but in 2077, they are more nuts than before, as they can't focus on details and would forget the damn critical bad things they are witnessing, they're attention drawn on ads, and, guess what, their * self *. All of this maintaining a punk atmosphere. As far as we know, CP aims to be a twisted and creepy description of what we are not yet, while we despise it, and yet, desperately aiming to. How can this objectively be dumb? Love you, sorry for the ranting colors, my English is rusted

    maui w0wiemaui w0wie2 months ago
  • For the next episode, I would like to suggest Kipo, the DreamWorks animation on Netflix and its focus on the human manipulability and fear of diversity, I would also like to extensively reference 8:30 of S3E1 on the latter point.

    Zappyguy111Zappyguy1112 months ago
  • It’s like they invited a few philosophers in for a few weeks during development.

    Krk PattersonKrk Patterson2 months ago
  • It’s like they invited a few philosophers in for a few weeks during development.

    Krk PattersonKrk Patterson2 months ago
  • Chris is great.

    Krk PattersonKrk Patterson2 months ago
  • Game never tries to be too deep. There's even a side mission that mocks shallow philosophy & social commentary.

    User 5748User 57482 months ago
  • Honestly you are the best replacement for that blond dude who left wisecrack

    Dan PaunescuDan Paunescu2 months ago
  • Look I know the game had problems and it could have been better had the Devs likely could have created something bigger and better with more time but I feel like it's almost become the "in" things to hate on this game. Not just this channel specifically but just in general. It wasn't perfect and I won't claim it was, but overall this was a really good game that brought up a lot of interesting ideas. Becoming a completely philosophical explorative game might have garnered more interest from certain people but it would have lost casual players to what would likely be viewed as unnecessary complexity. It explored so much more than just v and Johnny and really tried to show you a full world and I feel like people forget that. The game needed some more work but it really doesn't feel like it's getting enough recognition for what it did right

    Jacob FindlayJacob Findlay2 months ago
    • @Neb I didn't write a whole article as a response, I just expressed my disapproval at the same tune as your comment which had no arguments to begin with, just you shitting on the game

      AdElAdEl2 months ago
    • @Neb this actually hurts to read but to each their own I guess

      AdElAdEl2 months ago
  • GLAMORAMA by Brett Easton Ellis had a similar theme. A scary and great book.

    CitizenZero1CitizenZero12 months ago
  • Well, it's in keeping with the main theme of cyberpunk as a genre. Style over substance.

    Kevin CrowKevin Crow2 months ago
  • Dude! Could you do A Scanner Darkly? Please! 🤞🏻❤️

    Quarantined CosmonautQuarantined Cosmonaut2 months ago
  • Dumb. All of the ending were so fkn stupid. Feels like a lame version of a Bruckheimer movie. PATHETIC. Worst overhyped game EVER ... even more than Duke Nukem Forever.

    Fiz BanFiz Ban2 months ago
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